LCWR & NPR – Airing Our Dirty Laundry

[ 33 ] July 23, AD 2012 |

I have always loved Fresh Air with Terry Gross on National Public Radio (NPR). She is the perfect interviewer, intelligent, compassionate, and always knowledgeable about her interviewee. She has an amazing ability to keep her personality vanilla enough not to distract from the main attraction, the person being interviewed. Of course, she has bad days, especially when she cannot keep a biased edge out of her normally incisive, and detached questions.

I was actually excited to listen to her recent interview with Sr. Pat Ferrell, the president of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) because I like Terry Gross, and I am always happy when religious speak to secular media. Unfortunately, Terry could not quite manage to keep her disdain for the Church, especially its positions on birth control, abortion and homosexuality out of her voice. She clearly respected Sr. Pat, however during the interview, it was evident that Sr. Pat’s desire not to speak out against Church teaching, at least overtly, was baffling to her. As I listened to the interview, I did notice that I felt a bit ashamed, like a little child listening to her family’s dirty laundry being aired for the world to hear. Not that it is Sr. Pat’s fault or anyone’s really, it was just a feeling I noted and thought interesting.

I have read several different takes on the interview. On one side of the spectrum an article compared Sr. Pat to a manipulative 7-year old, and on another was a glowing account of the interview as a journalistic “breath of fresh air.” Both accounts left me feeling a bit queasy and depressed at the continued polarization of the Church that is exemplified in the ongoing debate over the LCWR.

If I were to describe my reaction to Terry’s interview of Sr. Pat, I would say it was a mixture of agreement and sad disappointment.

These are the main points that struck me:

1. Open, nonviolent dialogue – Sr. Pat advocated open, nonviolent dialogue between the hierarchy and the LCWR. This is definitely needed between the LCWR and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) as well as between different factions of the Church. I remain hopeful that the upcoming discussions between the LCWR and the CDF will be a model of this kind of dialogue for the divided faithful within the Church. Sr. Pat took issue particularly with the CDF’s use of the phrase “radical feminism” to describe the LCWR. I agree that this phrase is inflammatory but I am also not sure what other phrase would have been appropriate. I did notice in the interview that Sr. Pat did not indicate a sense of understanding any aspect of the CDF’s assessment. It’s certainly understandable that she disagrees with much of it, but for her to not have any concessions makes me wonder if real dialogue will be possible.

2. Seamless Garment – Sr. Pat, when asked about the LCWR’s silence on abortion, said that the sisters view right to life issues as a seamless garment. In other words, there are many issues which fall under the right to life umbrella. I agree with this wholeheartedly and I do think this is something that Catholics can work on. Often because of the false division of life issues between the Republican and Democratic parties, Catholics in general, not just the hierarchy, fail to promote all life issues.

However, Sr. Pat’s reason for the sisters not entering the abortion discussion was baffling to me. She stated that the bishops already talk about abortion often and the issue is too polarized. If the LCWR doesn’t believe the seamless garment is being presented seamlessly, why not present all the issues rather than ignoring a huge issue of life? And it further confuses me that the LCWR would particularly choose to remain silent on a women’s issue. Isn’t abortion the very issue women religious should be chiming in on? After asking myself all these questions, I honestly begin to wonder about the LCWR’s true stance on abortion. I am not attacking the sisters; this just seems to be a valid concern on the part of the CDF, as it is what people will naturally wonder due to their silence.

3. Questioning Catholic – At one point in the interview Sr. Pat says that the main issue at hand is, ‘Can you be Catholic and have a questioning mind?’ I think this is a good question. Some orthodox Catholics shut down dialogue by insisting that Catholics must adhere unquestioningly to the Magisterium or they are not “real” Catholics. How does a person get to the point of adherence to the Magisterium? For some it is by really struggling with it, asking questions, and sorting through the teaching enough to understand the source of the disagreement. Questioning your understanding of Church teaching is a sign of a mature faith. Part of the process of growing in faith is to ask questions with a genuine desire to understand.

Where the problem begins, however, is when both Catholics who disagree with Church teaching and those who agree, simply stop at the sound bites. A questioning mind necessitates the continued asking of questions. If we stop at the sound bites and begin to feel comfortable, we are not a questioning Catholic, we are a stuck in the mud Catholic. Unfortunately, some Catholics are stuck in the mud, and are not even open to the possibility that they are not seeing things as God sees them. This is where dialogue becomes difficult. I am not going to assume the sisters of LCWR are one way or the other. I think there are probably sisters who are genuinely questioning Catholics and others who are stuck in the mud. I just hope there’s enough humility among both the CDF and LCWR to promote genuine dialogue.

4. Obedience to God – I think the crux of the issue between the LCWR and the Church, and the polarization within the Church can be found with Sr. Pat’s description of the vow of obedience of a woman religious as primarily a vow of obedience to God. I am no expert on the vows yet, but I do know that when religious sisters take a vow of obedience, they are vowing obedience to God through obedience to another. Taking out our superiors simplifies things but it easily makes our vow of obedience meaningless as we very easily can begin to obey the God of our limited understanding, or the God we want, rather than the God who expresses himself, often imperfectly because of human failings, through the Church and our superiors.

Part of the humility and faith of being a faithful Catholic, religious or not, is found in trusting that God is powerful enough to act through what is imperfect and very human. Of course lay people do not take a vow of obedience. But the same problematic issues arise when we withdraw support from Church teaching and rely solely on conscience. What becomes the basis for our conscience? What forms our conscience?

I continue to hope for renewed dialogue between the left and the right within the Catholic Church. When I read coverage of the LCWR, on the right I hear a lot of intolerance, anger and a desire that these “fake” Catholics just leave the Church already. On the left I hear a lot of disrespect for Church hierarchy and overconfidence in the left’s prophetic ability to see things the Church hierarchy doesn’t see. Both sides are underestimating each other. The Church needs the left and the right, like a person needs a left hand and a right hand. She needs to be challenged sometimes, in faithfulness and love. But she also needs to be respected. The Church structure was something initiated and put in place by Jesus himself to protect, teach and guide. I do not trust the Church because I trust humans, I trust the Church because I believe in a God powerful enough to work through her sometimes very serious imperfection.

[author] [author_image timthumb='on']http://www.ignitumtoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/tnoble2.jpg[/author_image] [author_info]Theresa Noble is a postulant, aka nun in training, with a religious congregation of sisters in the US. She left her job in California with eBay to follow God two years ago. She currently lives in a convent in Boston where she prays, evangelizes, bakes bread and blogs at Pursued by Truth..[/author_info] [/author]

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Sr. Theresa Noble is a novice, aka nun in training, with a religious congregation of sisters in the US. She left her job in California with eBay to follow God four years ago. She currently lives in a convent in Boston where she prays, evangelizes, bakes bread and blogs at Pursued by Truth (http://pursuedbytruth.blogspot.com/).
  • http://www.healingandempowerment.blogspot,.com Phil Dzialo

    To me, the issues are quite simple! The nuns are very close to people, the marginalized people of the world…they work, toil and love in the trenches. The hierarchy are ensconced in palaces and surrounded by gold and glitter. Hence, difference one. The nuns wear simple garb or dress like the people they serve, The hierarchy are adorned in lace and velvet and gold, totally unlike the people they serve. Difference two. The nuns understand, feel and sympathize with the poor and marginalized. The hierarchy spend their time preserving the very tarnished image of the church, i.e. protecting and covering up abuse and money laundering. Difference 3. The nuns embody the feminine; the hierarchy is a men’s club, not transparent and secretive and totally patriarchal. Difference 4. The major issue is that Christ never founded a Church or an organized religion…those things happened in the third century. So who exemplifies Christ…methinks it’s the nuns and that’s the issue. Also, everyone knows that Bernie Law, the notorious master of pedophile coverup who was graced by a position in Rome was working behind the scenes to sabotage the LCWR…a man who should be in jail. I side with the nuns without reservation.

  • http://pursuedbytruth.blogspot.com Theresa

    Phil,

    If Church issues are anything, they are not simple, at least the way I see it :) As Sr. Pat pointed out in the interview, God has both feminine and masculine characteristics and the Church beautifully portrays both aspects of God through the role and complementarity of priests and religious in the Church. Certainly, the hierarchy can sometimes portray the worst of what it means to be masculine, just as religious sisters can do the same in expressing their femininity. But we are all meant to complement each other. The way I see it, the Church needs us all.

    Blessings,

    Theresa

  • Brother Rolf

    The issue is not about how well the sisters serve the poor, it is about heresy. The Church Fathers cannot stand idly by while the sisters go off the deep end. The Church cannot change her doctrines to suite the trendy sisters. “Moving beyond Jesus” is not an option.

  • http://pursuedbytruth.blogspot.com Theresa

    Brother Rolf,

    I think many of the sisters in the LCWR would not agree with the characterization that they want to move beyond Jesus. If you listen to the interview, Sr. Pat explains the context of that statement in a presentation that was made. It may not be satisfying to you but I think it will help contextualize the CDF’s concern. I think it is important not to paint with too broad of strokes here as that simply foments division.

    Blessings,

    Theresa

  • Brother Rolf

    I did listen to the interview and that option was not taken off the table.

  • http://pursuedbytruth.blogspot.com Theresa

    Sr. Laurie Brink presented it as an option within many options and at the end of the presentation she stated her opinion – that it is better to remain within the Church. From reading the CDF’s assessment, it seems they are concerned that this option would even come up in a presentation – a valid concern in my opinion as it means there are serious issues within the LCWR that needs to be discussed – but I believe we must be careful not to assume one option used in one sister’s presentation represents the views of the majority of the sisters in the LCWR.

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  • Timothy Putnam

    As always, we pray for unity. I pray specifically that those in the LCWR will not despise the “discipline of the Lord, for the Lord disciplines those He loves.” We all find a way into our own narrow box, focusing on those aspects of Faith with which we are most comfortable. The challenge comes when we are faced with an area of Faith in which we are lacking. Will we grow to include those areas of Faith as well?

    I hope they will walk through the renewal process given by the CDF, and grow in strength and glory.

  • http://pursuedbytruth.blogspot.com Theresa

    Amen Timothy. It is a good question to constantly ask ourselves, “Where am I lacking in the faith?” We would be a better Church if more Catholics humbly and seriously asked themselves this question.

  • http://fathergerber.blogspot.com Father Anthony Gerber

    @ Phil:

    While it is easy to play the “poor nuns” vs. the “rich men’s club” card– and don’t get me wrong, there are some real cards in the Church!– the fact of the matter is that you don’t have evidence to back up your assumptions. Let’s look at your assumptions vs. reality.

    Your assumption #1: Jesus did not establish an organized religion.
    Then, how do you respond to Jesus when He says to Peter: “you are rock and upon this rock I will build my Church”? (Mt 16:18) Or when Jesus tells us in the Sermon on the Mount that “not one iota or smallest dot of the law will pass away?” (Mt 5:18). Or how do you explain the Acts of the Apostles and the structure of their life and worship (they ordain, they have ritual, and an organic doctrine) which culminates in Paul saying that the Church is the Body of Christ (1 Cor 12, Rom 12, Eph 4)? A body must be organized, right? If not, then the liver could be the pancreas and the pancreas could be the stomach– and why not? After all, you think that priests and nuns and “the people” should be no different. But that would be as deathly as a body whose heart decided to become a foot.

    Assumption #2: The nuns are very close to people; the men in the Vatican are not.
    I think you forget that many of the men lived and worked among the people in parishes, in schools, and in hospitals before they were called to live at the Vatican. It is interesting to me that you should, in effect, say that love is predicated upon geography. In fact, as the culture often says, “Distance makes the heart grow fonder.” I know of many priests and bishops in Rome who miss the people and who therefore work with a genuine love. You had judged them as being heartless. And that is interesting too, for didn’t Jesus say “judge not, lest you be judged?”

    Assumption #3: The men in the Vatican live in palaces and are always dressed in gold whereas the nuns live simply.
    I’ve lived in Rome and, contrary to the American thought that “everyone lives in castles,” everyone does NOT live in palaces. Most of the clergy who live in Rome live in apartments. Do some work among great works of art? Yes. But then again, so do workers in museums. (But I’m sure you have nothing against them, do you?). And, let it be known that clergy do not always dress in lace and in gold. Yes, they do wear such things when celebrating the Divine Liturgy where heaven kisses earth– and so they should be dressed appropriately. The rest of the time, they are dressed in black which, if I may say so myself, is very quite penitential during the hot summer months!

    Assumption #4: Working with your hands is more “working in the trenches” than working at a desk, and so those that work behind desks don’t know what it is to “work in the trenches.”
    Last week, I poured concrete for the foundation of my parish’s food pantry. Right now, I’m using my lunch break to respond to you. And I’m doing so behind a desk– a desk where there are pictures of my family, my parishioners, and a big crucifix with Jesus. And I do so happily and for the benefit of all– rich and poor, both economically and spiritually. And I do so as a man and priest who absolutely loves the Church.

  • Brother Rolf

    Well said Father.

  • Daniel

    Every Saturday morning, I am on the prayer line with the other “throw back Catholics” at a local abortion clinic. My county has approximately 250,000 Catholics, and yet less than two dozen show up on any given Saturday. Recently, I answered the calling to be a sidewalk counselor. We gently talk, persuade and plead that the women reconsider their choice. We never block their access. In between entrants, we are silently praying our rosary. Later in the morning, we are handing out post-abortive healing literature (such as “Rachel’s Vineyard), hoping for a conversion of spirit so this woman’s next child is given a chance. (There are so many repeats). It is humbling and even humiliating work.

    It’s a struggle to pray for the babies, pray for the healing of the post abortive parents, pray for the abortionists and clinic workers, and pray that the Holy Spirit enliven other Catholics. So, I do have to check my anger and resentment against sisters like the Dominican Sister Donna Quinn, who escort women into the abortion clinics, giving them reassurance in the minutes before a death. Yes, coming from the right, I admit to harboring resentment against these “fake Catholics” who intentionally undercut the work in our struggle. The uber-liberals provide moral cover for errant Catholics such as Biden, Pelosi and Sibelius.

    It is exasperating to face hostility in the secular word, and then betrayal among our own. Theresa, you are correct about hoping for renewed dialogue between the right and the left. But I have to be honest that I’m tapped out on patience with Catholics who distort our teaching and values. They mold and shape other Catholics to not only believe that the life issue is optional, but our Christian duty to enable and soften the worse choice a human can make.

  • http://pursuedbytruth.blogspot.com Theresa

    I can definitely understand your frustration Daniel. The life issue is foundational in the seamless garment. It is completely baffling to me that some Catholics do not understand that, and I do not understand why religious sisters in the LCWR would choose to remain silent.

    But I also think our culture speaks so loudly that many well-meaning Catholics just do not understand many issues that are fundamental and so important like abortion. I hope we can engage these Catholics and help them to understand, because I think some of them would join you in your work if they knew and understood what is at stake. I will pray for your work and the women you are trying to reach.

  • Brother Rolf

    Don’t get discouraged. Jesus predicted that in the last days there would be a great falling away from the faith.People would call what is good evil and what is evil good.

  • Daniel

    Theresa, I’m 55 and I’m exasperated with so many of the vocal people in my generation; such as the LCWR leadership, Catholic politicians and the uber liberals. Yet, I am fully excited about the young people coming of age in our Church. When I look at the young people joining contemplative orders, or conservative orders such as those that are members of the Conference of Major Superiors of Women Religious, I have tremendous hope for the future. Even among the young laity, there is great fidelity of the Magisterium. And they are making lots of great Catholic babies to keep the momentum rolling. I say “Right On”! (60’s talk from an old geezer like me)

    My father was a WWII veteran, part of the “Greatest Generation”. My generation scoffed at them, but now I find the JP2 and B16 generation to be my inspiration. Somewhere there has to be some good moms and dads that kept their heads on straight and raised some good kids. I just read the sad news of Andrew Moore, the young man killed by an automobile during his cross country walk across the US as a sign of prayerful protest against abortion in the Crossroad initiative. This young man was discerning a vocation to the priesthood. You guys keep me on the abortion prayer line.

    Time will restore balance. In twenty years most of the LCWR leadership, Biden, et.al will be goners or on life-support. Heck, I’ll be on life-support too. But I have to say that there is great hope for the future. My sad generation, which comprises most of the LCWR leadership, is approaching its sunset. You guys are doing a great job of cleaning up the mess we created. Pretty groovy!

  • http://www.laetificatmadison.com Elizabeth D

    I think radical feminism is an apt phrase for some of the problematic things I have seen from some sisters from LCWR orders. I read with pain some writings from sisters who were systematically promoting radical feminism to African women, not a word about helping married family life or seeing that as good, but all about empowering women against male oppression. I think some see the relationship of sisters and bishops in a similar light, and cannot bear the idea that the sisters are subject to the teaching and governing authority of men. Sadly, as far as I can tell, LCWR has not shown any openness to the doctrinal assessment or willingness to comply with its directives. If their decision actually winds up being noncooperation, they may wind up getting decertified as an official Church organization.

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  • http://www.healingandempowerment.blogspot,.com Phil Dzialo

    @Elizabeth D
    While you see radical feminism as problematic, I see misogyny as the root of the problem…it’s the “olde boys club” trying to keep the girls in their place.
    “On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Jesus also was invited to the wedding with his disciples. When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”
    (John 2:1-5 ESV)” Even Jesus did what mom told him, although he was a bit snippy. I have no doubt that Jesus would have sided with the nuns.

  • Brother Rolf

    As much as liberals want to obfuscate the problem, it is simple, the Church cannot tolerate heresy. Jesus would not side with those attempting to destroy His Church from within.

  • Perinatal Loss Nurse

    Fr Anthony G. – God bless you in your gracious answer. There are different ways of serving in trenches and you have surely found one of them.

    Daniel – my experience and opinion mirror yours in many ways…thanks for expressing it well.

  • http://pursuedbytruth.blogspot.com Theresa

    @Phil – We are one body in Christ. I don’t think Jesus would be on anyone’s “side” – Jesus wants unity, not division. When we take sides, we tear Jesus apart.

    “There are many parts, yet one body. The eye cannot say to the hand, ‘I do not need you,’ nor again the head to the feet, ‘I do not need you.'” – 1 Corinthians 12:21

    @Elizabeth D – I think it may have been helpful for the CDF to have used a phrase that is a bit less loaded than “radical feminism” – however, I think you are correct in pointing out that this phrase reflects a reality.

    @Daniel – Yes, I think newer generations who do not have the baggage of living through the changes of Vatican II can look at these issues with fresh eyes – not naive as some may see it. While being fully in union with the Church, we see that it is possible to also be full of hope and love for those who find themselves on all “sides.” I have hope that the newer generations will speak the truth, while seeking unity.

  • Brother Rolf

    Jesus is on the side of truth.He founded the Catholic Church and sent the Holy Spirit to keep it on course.
    Matthew 16:19
    “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

  • http://pursuedbytruth.blogspot.com Theresa

    Yes, Brother Rolf I agree Jesus is on the side of Truth.

  • Therese

    You are very kind in your assessment of the LCWR stand on abortion. As a teacher in a Catholic High School, my experience is much darker. It practically took an act of God to allow the students to start a pro-life club. The animosity is palpable. The lack of support from the nuns is crushing. We are the only group in the school that is marginalized. The students tell me that they get no support from their theology teachers (department headed by a nun) for a pro-life stance. The same teachers allow the pro-abortion students to verbally crush them. That seamless garment line is constantly being thrown at them. Maybe you are unaware of this, but Cardinal Bernadine was quoted a few years ago in the diocesan newspaper as being quite upset that his analogy of the seamless garment was so abused. He, himself, stated that the right to life takes priority over all other rights – no life, no rights. It is in our city that a certain Sinsinawa Dominican marches as an abortion escort, with the full support of her community.
    Two of my three daughters that went to this school lost their faith. Maybe there wasn’t actual heresy taught, but there sure was a lot of relativism. It breaks my heart.

  • http://www.healingandempowerment.blogspot.com Phil Dzialo

    @ Therese
    You say that two of your three daughters lost their faith….maybe they just found something more kind, compassionate and loving. I intentionally brought up my daughter without religion or god; she is the most kind, most loving, most sensitive, generous human that I know. All goodness does not flow from faith; it flows from an abiding unity with the sacred and that which provides wonder.

  • Daniel

    Hi Therese:

    Thank you for the very candid explanation of what really can go on with the teaching in a Catholic school. I have to say that one of the best decisions I made for my children was to not send them to Catholic schools. This is often very hard for the older folks to understand, because they have memories of what the parochial schools were like 40 and 50 years ago. Many people presume that I am not interested in their religious education. On the contrary, I am very interested that they get proper catechesis. My assessment was that I would not know about the orthodoxy or quality of the instruction till it was too late.

    One of the best decisions I ever made was to home-school our two boys in their religious education. I will not even send them to CCD, since this curriculum is just a weekend version of the weekday school. I did not want the kids to use text books with graphics of “Happy Meal Theology”. Instead, I buy the “Faith and Life” series from Catholics United for the Faith out of Steubenville, OH off the internet. Standard books, standard workbooks, fine art reprints, imprimatur and nihil obstat. It has caused me some difficulty with the liberal pastor and the sister that runs the Religious Education program, but I stand my ground. It helps that our archbishop (Myers of Newark, NJ) has a quote of praise on the Faith and Life series web site. Even though he praises these books, this is not the standard series for religious instruction in the Archdiocese of Newark!

    It used to be, in my parent’s generation, deep trust in the nuns and sisters, and their ability to teach in the faith. Now, I have to say the opposite. I have to believe that even among women religious of LCWR communities, there are splendid examples of faith and devotion. However, there is a cabal of the leadership with long reach into the writers and publishers of teaching materials, and within diocesan education offices. So, the official religious text comes out, with cartoon Jesus, and the faithful sisters left in the schools and churches just teach from that.

    We just heard the gospel reading of the multiplication of the loaves and fishes. Did you know that the real miracle was not that Jesus fed all these people, the “real miracle was the sharing”. Yep, that’s what they teach. My elder son will make his confirmation next year, and sister says he needs 40 hours of community service. I met with her to discuss options. Volunteer work in the public library counts, but being an altar boy does not because they would have to attend Mass anyway. I was an altar boy, as was my father, and that was the start of a lifetime of service as laymen to God and His Church. These wacka-doodles just don’t get it.

  • Brother Rolf

    Niceness and goodness never got anyone to heaven.

    John Chapter 3 Verse 16.
    For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, so that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

  • http://pursuedbytruth.blogspot.com Theresa

    Therese – I have been meaning to respond to your comment for some time now. I certainly did not intend to overlook reality. I try to be loving, fair and balanced but I also do not avoid truth.

    I think there are definitely some sisters who are out of line with the Church on the issue of abortion – tragically out of line. But I simply was taking Sr. Pat at her word. I cannot characterize a group of sisters based on the behavior of some of them. I do not know all of the LCWR sisters’ views on abortion and I do not pretend to know. But I do think I make it clear that Sr. Pat’s defense of the LCWR’s silence on abortion was not acceptable or logical, which makes me question what is really behind it.

    I am so sorry that two of your daughters have lost the faith. It is truly a scandal that the behavior of religious sisters has contributed to the loss of faith of others. I ask for your prayers, as I continue in my formation, that my behavior will never cause anyone to lose faith.

  • Brother Rolf

    “The keynote speaker for the annual conference of the LCWR is New Age quack Barbara Marx Hubbard. If you’ve never heard of her, just try to imagine a combination of Deepak Chopra and Ray Kurzweil with an extra helping of crazy. Her big thing is Conscious Evolution, which is the latest repackaging of “est” with an added transhumanist/post-humanist subtext. Here she is on her website explaining Conscious Evolution, which sounds like a combination of X-Men comics, techno-fetishizing, narcissism, New Age nonsense, paganism, trite bromides, bad grammar, Gnosticism, and good old heresy. (Emphasis added.)

    From: http://fanaticforjesus.blogspot.com/2011/08/barbara-marx-hubbard-another-scary.html

    “Barbara Marx Hubbard. She is the mother of all Luciferian futurists, and is one of the destructive forces working toward ushering in the end time world government. Her futuristic ideas coincide with the martyrdom and persecution in the Book of Revelation.

    Hubbard has been noted as saying:
    “The choice is: Do you wish to become a natural Christ, a universal human, or do you wish to die? People will either change or die. That is the choice.” Ralph Epperson, New World Order

    In another quote, she says:
    “We, the elders, have been patiently waiting until the last moment before quantum transformation. The destructive one-fourth must be eliminated from the social body.”
    If that doesn’t quite convey what she wants, try this one:
    “We are in charge of God’s selection process for planet Earth. He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the Pale Horse, death…We do this for the sake of the world.”

  • http://pursuedbytruth.blogspot.com Theresa

    Yes, Br. Rolf I was aware of this and I find it puzzling (to say the least) that the sisters would invite someone like this, especially at a time when they are under scrutiny from everyone.

  • http://www.healingandempowerment.blogspot,.com Phil Dzialo

    Barbara Hubbard is renowned as the best informed and most articulate futurist in the words of Buckminister Fuller. The fact that the human spirit is evolving to higher levels of spiritual consciousness is not a sin. Debate, consideration of alternative views is not a sin. Examining the role of the human species is the establishment of the future of our people and our planet is no sin. I applaud the sisters for open-minded discernment who will not bow to the vitriol of censors. In his day, Father Teilhard de Chardin was condemned for his futurism and noogensis. His words, as a priest, “We are all spiritual beings having a human experience.” have resonated through my life. I proudly adorn my son’s wheelchair van with a bumper sticker that reads “I support the NUNS!” Please don’t criticize what you don’t understand!

  • Brother Rolf

    I do understand it, maybe you don’t.

  • http://www.healingandempowerment.blogspot,.com Phil Dzialo

    @ B Rolf …I think B16 is leaning to the futurism camp and the “cosmos as a living host.” Maybe LCWR is closer to his thinking than you concede.
    http://ncronline.org/news/ecology/pope-cites-teilhardian-vision-cosmos-living-host