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		<title>By: Phil Dzialo</title>
		<link>http://www.ignitumtoday.com/2012/07/23/lcwr-npr-airing-our-dirty-laundry/#comment-32289</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Dzialo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ B Rolf ...I think B16 is leaning to the futurism camp and the &quot;cosmos as a living host.&quot;  Maybe LCWR is closer to his thinking than you concede.
http://ncronline.org/news/ecology/pope-cites-teilhardian-vision-cosmos-living-host]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ B Rolf &#8230;I think B16 is leaning to the futurism camp and the &#8220;cosmos as a living host.&#8221;  Maybe LCWR is closer to his thinking than you concede.<br />
<a href="http://ncronline.org/news/ecology/pope-cites-teilhardian-vision-cosmos-living-host" rel="nofollow">http://ncronline.org/news/ecology/pope-cites-teilhardian-vision-cosmos-living-host</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brother Rolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brother Rolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 23:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do understand it, maybe you don&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do understand it, maybe you don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Dzialo</title>
		<link>http://www.ignitumtoday.com/2012/07/23/lcwr-npr-airing-our-dirty-laundry/#comment-32213</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Dzialo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 22:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Barbara Hubbard is renowned as the best informed and most articulate futurist in the words of Buckminister Fuller.  The fact that the human spirit is evolving to higher levels of spiritual consciousness is not a sin.  Debate, consideration of alternative views is not a sin.  Examining the role of the human species is the establishment of the future of our people and our planet is no sin. I applaud the sisters for open-minded discernment who will not bow to the vitriol of censors.  In his day, Father Teilhard de Chardin was condemned for his futurism and noogensis.  His words, as a priest, &quot;We are all spiritual beings having a human experience.&quot; have resonated through my life. I proudly adorn my son&#039;s wheelchair van with a bumper sticker that reads &quot;I support the NUNS!&quot;  Please don&#039;t criticize what you don&#039;t understand!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara Hubbard is renowned as the best informed and most articulate futurist in the words of Buckminister Fuller.  The fact that the human spirit is evolving to higher levels of spiritual consciousness is not a sin.  Debate, consideration of alternative views is not a sin.  Examining the role of the human species is the establishment of the future of our people and our planet is no sin. I applaud the sisters for open-minded discernment who will not bow to the vitriol of censors.  In his day, Father Teilhard de Chardin was condemned for his futurism and noogensis.  His words, as a priest, &#8220;We are all spiritual beings having a human experience.&#8221; have resonated through my life. I proudly adorn my son&#8217;s wheelchair van with a bumper sticker that reads &#8220;I support the NUNS!&#8221;  Please don&#8217;t criticize what you don&#8217;t understand!</p>
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		<title>By: Theresa</title>
		<link>http://www.ignitumtoday.com/2012/07/23/lcwr-npr-airing-our-dirty-laundry/#comment-32205</link>
		<dc:creator>Theresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Br. Rolf I was aware of this and I find it puzzling (to say the least) that the sisters would invite someone like this, especially at a time when they are under scrutiny from everyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Br. Rolf I was aware of this and I find it puzzling (to say the least) that the sisters would invite someone like this, especially at a time when they are under scrutiny from everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Brother Rolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brother Rolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The keynote speaker for the annual conference of the LCWR is New Age quack Barbara Marx Hubbard. If you’ve never heard of her, just try to imagine a combination of Deepak Chopra and Ray Kurzweil with an extra helping of crazy. Her big thing is Conscious Evolution, which is the latest repackaging of “est” with an added transhumanist/post-humanist subtext. Here she is on her website explaining Conscious Evolution, which sounds like a combination of X-Men comics, techno-fetishizing, narcissism, New Age nonsense, paganism, trite bromides, bad grammar, Gnosticism, and good old heresy. (Emphasis added.)

From: http://fanaticforjesus.blogspot.com/2011/08/barbara-marx-hubbard-another-scary.html

“Barbara Marx Hubbard. She is the mother of all Luciferian futurists, and is one of the destructive forces working toward ushering in the end time world government. Her futuristic ideas coincide with the martyrdom and persecution in the Book of Revelation.

Hubbard has been noted as saying:
&quot;The choice is: Do you wish to become a natural Christ, a universal human, or do you wish to die? People will either change or die. That is the choice.&quot; Ralph Epperson, New World Order



In another quote, she says:
&quot;We, the elders, have been patiently waiting until the last moment before quantum transformation. The destructive one-fourth must be eliminated from the social body.&quot;
If that doesn&#039;t quite convey what she wants, try this one:
&quot;We are in charge of God&#039;s selection process for planet Earth. He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the Pale Horse, death...We do this for the sake of the world.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The keynote speaker for the annual conference of the LCWR is New Age quack Barbara Marx Hubbard. If you’ve never heard of her, just try to imagine a combination of Deepak Chopra and Ray Kurzweil with an extra helping of crazy. Her big thing is Conscious Evolution, which is the latest repackaging of “est” with an added transhumanist/post-humanist subtext. Here she is on her website explaining Conscious Evolution, which sounds like a combination of X-Men comics, techno-fetishizing, narcissism, New Age nonsense, paganism, trite bromides, bad grammar, Gnosticism, and good old heresy. (Emphasis added.)</p>
<p>From: <a href="http://fanaticforjesus.blogspot.com/2011/08/barbara-marx-hubbard-another-scary.html" rel="nofollow">http://fanaticforjesus.blogspot.com/2011/08/barbara-marx-hubbard-another-scary.html</a></p>
<p>“Barbara Marx Hubbard. She is the mother of all Luciferian futurists, and is one of the destructive forces working toward ushering in the end time world government. Her futuristic ideas coincide with the martyrdom and persecution in the Book of Revelation.</p>
<p>Hubbard has been noted as saying:<br />
&#8220;The choice is: Do you wish to become a natural Christ, a universal human, or do you wish to die? People will either change or die. That is the choice.&#8221; Ralph Epperson, New World Order</p>
<p>In another quote, she says:<br />
&#8220;We, the elders, have been patiently waiting until the last moment before quantum transformation. The destructive one-fourth must be eliminated from the social body.&#8221;<br />
If that doesn&#8217;t quite convey what she wants, try this one:<br />
&#8220;We are in charge of God&#8217;s selection process for planet Earth. He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the Pale Horse, death&#8230;We do this for the sake of the world.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Theresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 00:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Therese - I have been meaning to respond to your comment for some time now. I certainly did not intend to overlook reality. I try to be loving, fair and balanced but I also do not avoid truth. 

I think there are definitely some sisters who are out of line with the Church on the issue of abortion - tragically out of line. But I simply was taking Sr. Pat at her word. I cannot characterize a group of sisters based on the behavior of some of them. I do not know all of the LCWR sisters&#039; views on abortion and I do not pretend to know. But I do think I make it clear that Sr. Pat&#039;s defense of the LCWR&#039;s silence on abortion was not acceptable or logical, which makes me question what is really behind it.

I am so sorry that two of your daughters have lost the faith. It is truly a scandal that the behavior of religious sisters has contributed to the loss of faith of others. I ask for your prayers, as I continue in my formation, that my behavior will never cause anyone to lose faith.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Therese &#8211; I have been meaning to respond to your comment for some time now. I certainly did not intend to overlook reality. I try to be loving, fair and balanced but I also do not avoid truth. </p>
<p>I think there are definitely some sisters who are out of line with the Church on the issue of abortion &#8211; tragically out of line. But I simply was taking Sr. Pat at her word. I cannot characterize a group of sisters based on the behavior of some of them. I do not know all of the LCWR sisters&#8217; views on abortion and I do not pretend to know. But I do think I make it clear that Sr. Pat&#8217;s defense of the LCWR&#8217;s silence on abortion was not acceptable or logical, which makes me question what is really behind it.</p>
<p>I am so sorry that two of your daughters have lost the faith. It is truly a scandal that the behavior of religious sisters has contributed to the loss of faith of others. I ask for your prayers, as I continue in my formation, that my behavior will never cause anyone to lose faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Brother Rolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brother Rolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Niceness and goodness never got anyone to heaven. 

John Chapter 3 Verse 16.
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, so that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niceness and goodness never got anyone to heaven. </p>
<p>John Chapter 3 Verse 16.<br />
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, so that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Therese:

Thank you for the very candid explanation of what really can go on with the teaching in a Catholic school.  I have to say that one of the best decisions I made for my children was to not send them to Catholic schools.  This is often very hard for the older folks to understand, because they have memories of what the parochial schools were like 40 and 50 years ago.  Many people presume that I am not interested in their religious education.  On the contrary, I am very interested that they get proper catechesis.  My assessment was that I would not know about the orthodoxy or quality of the instruction till it was too late.

One of the best decisions I ever made was to home-school our two boys in their religious education.  I will not even send them to CCD, since this curriculum is just a weekend version of the weekday school.  I did not want the kids to use text books with graphics of “Happy Meal Theology”.  Instead, I buy the “Faith and Life” series from Catholics United for the Faith out of Steubenville, OH off the internet.  Standard books, standard workbooks, fine art reprints, imprimatur and nihil obstat.   It has caused me some difficulty with the liberal pastor and the sister that runs the Religious Education program, but I stand my ground.  It helps that our archbishop (Myers of Newark, NJ) has a quote of praise on the Faith and Life series web site.  Even though he praises these books, this is not the standard series for religious instruction in the Archdiocese of Newark!

It used to be, in my parent’s generation, deep trust in the nuns and sisters, and their ability to teach in the faith.  Now, I have to say the opposite.  I have to believe that even among women religious of LCWR communities, there are splendid examples of faith and devotion.  However, there is a cabal of the leadership with long reach into the writers and publishers of teaching materials, and within diocesan education offices.  So, the official religious text comes out, with cartoon Jesus, and the faithful sisters left in the schools and churches just teach from that.  

We just heard the gospel reading of the multiplication of the loaves and fishes.  Did you know that the real miracle was not that Jesus fed all these people, the “real miracle was the sharing”.  Yep, that’s what they teach.  My elder son will make his confirmation next year, and sister says he needs 40 hours of community service.  I met with her to discuss options.  Volunteer work in the public library counts, but being an altar boy does not because they would have to attend Mass anyway.  I was an altar boy, as was my father, and that was the start of a lifetime of service as laymen to God and His Church.  These wacka-doodles just don’t get it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Therese:</p>
<p>Thank you for the very candid explanation of what really can go on with the teaching in a Catholic school.  I have to say that one of the best decisions I made for my children was to not send them to Catholic schools.  This is often very hard for the older folks to understand, because they have memories of what the parochial schools were like 40 and 50 years ago.  Many people presume that I am not interested in their religious education.  On the contrary, I am very interested that they get proper catechesis.  My assessment was that I would not know about the orthodoxy or quality of the instruction till it was too late.</p>
<p>One of the best decisions I ever made was to home-school our two boys in their religious education.  I will not even send them to CCD, since this curriculum is just a weekend version of the weekday school.  I did not want the kids to use text books with graphics of “Happy Meal Theology”.  Instead, I buy the “Faith and Life” series from Catholics United for the Faith out of Steubenville, OH off the internet.  Standard books, standard workbooks, fine art reprints, imprimatur and nihil obstat.   It has caused me some difficulty with the liberal pastor and the sister that runs the Religious Education program, but I stand my ground.  It helps that our archbishop (Myers of Newark, NJ) has a quote of praise on the Faith and Life series web site.  Even though he praises these books, this is not the standard series for religious instruction in the Archdiocese of Newark!</p>
<p>It used to be, in my parent’s generation, deep trust in the nuns and sisters, and their ability to teach in the faith.  Now, I have to say the opposite.  I have to believe that even among women religious of LCWR communities, there are splendid examples of faith and devotion.  However, there is a cabal of the leadership with long reach into the writers and publishers of teaching materials, and within diocesan education offices.  So, the official religious text comes out, with cartoon Jesus, and the faithful sisters left in the schools and churches just teach from that.  </p>
<p>We just heard the gospel reading of the multiplication of the loaves and fishes.  Did you know that the real miracle was not that Jesus fed all these people, the “real miracle was the sharing”.  Yep, that’s what they teach.  My elder son will make his confirmation next year, and sister says he needs 40 hours of community service.  I met with her to discuss options.  Volunteer work in the public library counts, but being an altar boy does not because they would have to attend Mass anyway.  I was an altar boy, as was my father, and that was the start of a lifetime of service as laymen to God and His Church.  These wacka-doodles just don’t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Dzialo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Dzialo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Therese
You say that two of your three daughters lost their faith....maybe they just found something more kind, compassionate and loving.  I intentionally brought up my daughter without religion or god; she is the most kind, most loving, most sensitive, generous human that I know.  All goodness does not flow from faith; it flows from an abiding unity with the sacred and that which provides wonder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Therese<br />
You say that two of your three daughters lost their faith&#8230;.maybe they just found something more kind, compassionate and loving.  I intentionally brought up my daughter without religion or god; she is the most kind, most loving, most sensitive, generous human that I know.  All goodness does not flow from faith; it flows from an abiding unity with the sacred and that which provides wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: Therese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Therese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are very kind in your assessment of the LCWR stand on abortion.  As a teacher in a Catholic High School, my experience is much darker.  It practically took an act of God to allow the students to start a pro-life club.  The animosity is palpable.  The lack of support from the nuns is crushing.  We are the only group in the school that is marginalized.  The students tell me that they get no support from their theology teachers (department headed by a nun) for a pro-life stance.  The same teachers allow the pro-abortion students to verbally crush them.  That seamless garment line is constantly being thrown at them.   Maybe you are unaware of this, but Cardinal Bernadine was quoted a few years ago in the diocesan newspaper as being quite upset that his analogy of the seamless garment was so abused.  He, himself, stated that the right to life takes priority over all other rights - no life, no rights. It is in our city that a certain Sinsinawa Dominican marches as an abortion escort, with the full support of her community.
Two of my three daughters that went to this school lost their faith.  Maybe there wasn&#039;t actual heresy taught, but there sure was a lot of relativism.   It breaks my heart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are very kind in your assessment of the LCWR stand on abortion.  As a teacher in a Catholic High School, my experience is much darker.  It practically took an act of God to allow the students to start a pro-life club.  The animosity is palpable.  The lack of support from the nuns is crushing.  We are the only group in the school that is marginalized.  The students tell me that they get no support from their theology teachers (department headed by a nun) for a pro-life stance.  The same teachers allow the pro-abortion students to verbally crush them.  That seamless garment line is constantly being thrown at them.   Maybe you are unaware of this, but Cardinal Bernadine was quoted a few years ago in the diocesan newspaper as being quite upset that his analogy of the seamless garment was so abused.  He, himself, stated that the right to life takes priority over all other rights &#8211; no life, no rights. It is in our city that a certain Sinsinawa Dominican marches as an abortion escort, with the full support of her community.<br />
Two of my three daughters that went to this school lost their faith.  Maybe there wasn&#8217;t actual heresy taught, but there sure was a lot of relativism.   It breaks my heart.</p>
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